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Author Topic: FAO PRECIOUS PUP - If Rick hadn't have heard the song RAOTW
Cammy the Morton Fan
JohnIt may have been asked before but I can't remember if it was answered definitively:By all accounts Rick heard the song RAOTW on the radio, suggested the band do it and it was one of the last songs ( if not the last ) to be recorded for the album.If he hadn't have come across the track, was there any talk of a) what the lead single may have been and b) what the album would have been called ? Was there a working title for it ?Kind regardsCam
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Precious Pup
Cam, I don't know how Richard got a hold of RAOTW whether it was on the radio or a suggestion from management. I had always thought it was in the last couple of songs that we did this but Bob's recent find would suggest it was much earlier. As we tracked the songs once the definitive master take and the edits if any had been made I extracted it to a master reel. These reels were put together in sequence of how the songs were done. RAOTW is the 3rd on reel 2, there are 4 songs on reel 1 so that place's RAOTW as the 7th song we did. You may be able to see this from the picture of three of the boxes Bob has posted on his website. Its in my handwriting so might be difficult to read! This midway point was also the time when we took a short break and the band flew back to do either a promo/interview. I took one of the studio cars to pick them up from the private jet. I had Richard in the front with me and had a near miss experience with a rather large truck on a roundabout during a "Ricky moment of distraction". Andy came back with them at this time and think he was in the back.
RAOTW was probably the 1st new track he was on when we restarted. I really don't remember any other titles being discussed in the control room and this earlier tracking of RAOTW may have been the point when it was already on the cards.
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viking48
posted 02 September, 2011 23:22
John i don't know if you will know or remember but i distinctly remember the first airing of the track was on the John Peel late evening show prior to the single release.
I had a tape of it for a number of years .. now sadly gone somewhere. It sounded a totally different mix to the released version. Was that possible or was i going deaf after too many Quo concerts all those years ago ?? posted 02 September, 2011 23:37
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?cooliquo
posted 02 September, 2011 23:49
quote:
Originally posted by Precious Pup:
Cam, I don't know how Richard got a hold of RAOTW whether it was on the radio
i'm pretty sure i read Rick say he heard it on the radio, in his car, in Ireland (?) or something...viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 02 September, 2011 23:50
I would hate this thread to start reaching the depths of where discussion have gone on this album in the past.
John has kindly written a reply to a good question asked about the track !!
I just want to point out john that my question is not directed negatively regarding the album. I actually think its a good album and was curious as to wether i have lost an early mix aired on the radio ?Cammy the Morton Fan
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Member # 100 posted 03 September, 2011 00:12
John, many thanks for replying, as ever.I'm going to suggest something crazy- is it possible the reels are numbered incorrectly? It's just that in interviews Rick has suggested it was one of the last songs to be done( hence my wondering about single choices / working titles). This would tally with your initial recollection about it being one of the last couple of tracks.Having said that, it wasn't exactly yesterday!! I was only four at the time- I'm not far from forty now so that puts it in perspective!Thanks againCam
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michaelpratt
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Member # 7533 posted 03 September, 2011 00:18
As a major Credence fan, and having seen John Fogerty 2 years ago in Manchester (before his hopeless gig at the Royal Albert Hall) I can only say that the Quo version is both different and superior to the original as still played by the great JF. My thoughts would be, who re-arranged it? Who wrote the added guitar parts?
It has, by his own admission become John Fogerty's pension plan, but a lot of work took it to the finished Quo version.
Who did it?Mike
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Precious Pup
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Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:28
OK understood viking48, Its quite possible that you did hear a different version. We did reluctantly on some occasions do rough mixes when the tracks had got to a certain point. I say reluctantly cos you never know where they would end up at a mid way state of working and be judged upon. However from a management perspective they were often needed to start to create and involve others in the marketing sense and that might involve playing a rough mix to a radio producer or DJ. Equally on occasion's the rough mix could end up better than a finished mix ! In just the same way sometimes demos sound better than masters and one of the plus points of our digital recording world now is that there is often no technical difference between the demo and the master, making it an easier exchange.
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Precious Pup
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Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:41
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Originally posted by Cammy the Morton Fan:
John, many thanks for replying, as ever.I'm going to suggest something crazy- is it possible the reels are numbered incorrectly? It's just that in interviews Rick has suggested it was one of the last songs to be done( hence my wondering about single choices / working titles). This would tally with your initial recollection about it being one of the last couple of tracks.Having said that, it wasn't exactly yesterday!! I was only four at the time- I'm not far from forty now so that puts it in perspective!Thanks againCam
Well I had considered that before writing my response to you. However I don't think so, the last reel #4 only has two songs on it and plenty of space for others so it would not make sense that it was not #4 in the sequence. My numbering method was I of IV,
II OF IV, III OF IV, and IV OF IV I think it can be seen from Bobs pics.
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viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 00:46
Thanks for the reply John. Much appreciated and intesting.
This is how a MB should interact between its members and people with knowledge to give !!Now to turn the Loft upside down and find that bloody cassette tape. Probably claimed by my Sister and overtaped for ' Life in Tokyo by Japan or something along those lines '
Just my luck
Precious Pup
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Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:52
quote:
Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
Oh I don't know if it was that calculated. I think it was always a question of looking for commercially sounding singles to sell albums.
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Precious Pup
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Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:59
quote:
Originally posted by michaelpratt:
As a major Credence fan, and having seen John Fogerty 2 years ago in Manchester (before his hopeless gig at the Royal Albert Hall) I can only say that the Quo version is both different and superior to the original as still played by the great JF. My thoughts would be, who re-arranged it? Who wrote the added guitar parts?
It has, by his own admission become John Fogerty's pension plan, but a lot of work took it to the finished Quo version.
Who did it?Mike
Credit to Pip and the Band from where I sat.
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Precious Pup
posted 03 September, 2011 01:15
Well Goodnight everyone. Been a while since I was on here. I saw Cammy's post and had a little time. Just preparing for another album with Karla Davis but will check back from time to time.
Cheers, P.P.
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viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 01:19
Cheers John. Youre enthusiasm for your profession comes over loud and clear--------------------
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Member # 100 posted 03 September, 2011 10:31
quote:
Originally posted by Precious Pup:
Well Goodnight everyone. Been a while since I was on here. I saw Cammy's post and had a little time. Just preparing for another album with Karla Davis but will check back from time to time.
Cheers, P.P.
Thanks again John. The board is a richer place with your contributions.
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ROCK ' N ' ROLL
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Member # 4665 posted 03 September, 2011 12:03
quote:
Originally posted by Precious Pup:
quote:
Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out
to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
Oh I don't know if it was that calculated. I think it was always a question of looking for commercially sounding singles to sell albums.
Thanks for the reply mate, didnt want to come across as cynical, but you must admit it seems a coincidence then that major production changes we're happening to the band on that album at the same time Rick discovered RAOTW. You can see how some fans could view it as calculated? It makes me wonder why a record company would try to make a band sell commercial sounding singles, to sell what essentially are albums of different content to the singles. I know this has actually worked for Quo over the years, but does this actually add to the bands credibility long term, and maintain their fanbase, or work against them in the end? Like if you take Quo now face value they seem to sell albums more than singles, which would suggest Quo dont or didnt need singles to sell albums and carry on becomming bigger as a band, but it has to be said their very successfull string of hit singles isnt to be frowned apon either.
viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 19:59
quote:
Thanks for the reply mate, didnt want to come across as cynical, but you must admit it seems a coincidence then that major production changes we're happening to the band on that album at the same time Rick discovered RAOTW. You can see how some fans could view it as calculated? But Quo have released Singles since the beginning of time from albums so how can you percieve the 'Rockin' album to have been affected by a 'Single' release ?
ROCK ' N ' ROLL
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Member # 4665 posted 03 September, 2011 21:26
quote:
Originally posted by viking48:
quote:
Thanks for the reply mate, didnt want to come across as cynical, but you must admit it seems a coincidence then that major production changes we're happening to the band on that album at the same time Rick discovered RAOTW. You can see how some fans could view it as calculated? But Quo have released Singles since the beginning of time from albums so how can you percieve the 'Rockin' album to have been affected by a 'Single' release ?
I just think Quo's sound and even style changed around this period. If you compare the Blue for you album from 76, to the RAOTW album from 77 there is a big difference in the songs and over all production. I'm not suggesting the song RAOTW actually is the key thing that affcted the rest of the album, but you have to admit it is a very commercially sounding song, as is the album, so to me it seems too much of a coincedence that it marries up in the way it does. It might just be that its that type of radio friendly sound which Quo we're searching for at the time, and the song RAOTW came along at the right time, who knows? I can't help but wonder though without the discovery of the song RAOTW would they have decided to move forward with the production they had done. Its almost as if the song RAOTW was purpous built to promote the rest of the album it ended up being on. Like too many things line up too perfectly. But it seems I'm wrong to think way, which is fair enough.|
viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 21:42
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Its almost as if the song RAOTW was purpous built to promote the rest of the album it ended up being on. Like too many things line up too perfectly. But it seems I'm wrong to think way, which is fair enough
Nothing wrong in having an opinion and thinking the way you feel !!
I just dont think it was that calculated regarding RAOTW dictating the album.
To be truthful this bloody album has been discussed to death in my opinion. It happened the way it did and divided opinion but we should be able to move on from it.
After all the re-mix by John aint too far off. I think that would be a better time for this subject as we will have comparisons to debate over !
ROCK ' N ' ROLL
posted 03 September, 2011 21:57
quote:
Originally posted by viking48:
quote:
Its almost as if the song RAOTW was purpous built to promote the rest of the album it ended up being on. Like too many things line up too perfectly. But it seems I'm wrong to think way, which is fair enough
Nothing wrong in having an opinion and thinking the way you feel !!
I just dont think it was that calculated regarding RAOTW dictating the album.
To be truthful this bloody album has been discussed to death in my opinion. It happened the way it did and divided opinion but we should be able to move on from it.
After all the re-mix by John aint too far off. I think that would
be a better time for this subject as we will have comparisons to debate over !
Your right maybe its just me who views it that way, but it did seem to be when Quo's album material could all pass as singles, well almost anyway. they pulled back the raw sound a bit on the WYW album though, but it seems the magnificent sound which made Quo famous was completely lost by the end of the 70's.
The Quoman.
4 posted 03 September, 2011 22:52
quote:
Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
logic? --------------------
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ROCK ' N ' ROLL
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Member # 4665 posted 04 September, 2011 08:32
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Originally posted by The Quoman.:
quote:
Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out
to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
logic?
Logic in thinking was the song RAOTW discovered before the album was even started, hence the sudden change in sound on all the songs. I know I'm probably wrong, but I always thought they found the song RAOTW then thought wow this is the kind of radio friendly sound and even style of song that we need to suite the direction we want to take, which in hindsight seems to be a much cleaner sound, and radio friendly sound. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, everything doesn't stay the same, and artists need to progress, but the one thing that strikes me as odd, is Quo didn't need to fix anthing in terms of success in this country. It seems to be the 2 main albums that won them the fans they got we're Piledriver and Hello, and the 2 albums that untied all that we're RAOTW and IYCSTH. But thats not stricktly true is it?
Author Topic: FAO PRECIOUS PUP - If Rick hadn't have heard the song RAOTW
Cammy the Morton Fan
JohnIt may have been asked before but I can't remember if it was answered definitively:By all accounts Rick heard the song RAOTW on the radio, suggested the band do it and it was one of the last songs ( if not the last ) to be recorded for the album.If he hadn't have come across the track, was there any talk of a) what the lead single may have been and b) what the album would have been called ? Was there a working title for it ?Kind regardsCam
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Precious Pup
Cam, I don't know how Richard got a hold of RAOTW whether it was on the radio or a suggestion from management. I had always thought it was in the last couple of songs that we did this but Bob's recent find would suggest it was much earlier. As we tracked the songs once the definitive master take and the edits if any had been made I extracted it to a master reel. These reels were put together in sequence of how the songs were done. RAOTW is the 3rd on reel 2, there are 4 songs on reel 1 so that place's RAOTW as the 7th song we did. You may be able to see this from the picture of three of the boxes Bob has posted on his website. Its in my handwriting so might be difficult to read! This midway point was also the time when we took a short break and the band flew back to do either a promo/interview. I took one of the studio cars to pick them up from the private jet. I had Richard in the front with me and had a near miss experience with a rather large truck on a roundabout during a "Ricky moment of distraction". Andy came back with them at this time and think he was in the back.
RAOTW was probably the 1st new track he was on when we restarted. I really don't remember any other titles being discussed in the control room and this earlier tracking of RAOTW may have been the point when it was already on the cards.
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viking48
posted 02 September, 2011 23:22
John i don't know if you will know or remember but i distinctly remember the first airing of the track was on the John Peel late evening show prior to the single release.
I had a tape of it for a number of years .. now sadly gone somewhere. It sounded a totally different mix to the released version. Was that possible or was i going deaf after too many Quo concerts all those years ago ?? posted 02 September, 2011 23:37
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?cooliquo
posted 02 September, 2011 23:49
quote:
Originally posted by Precious Pup:
Cam, I don't know how Richard got a hold of RAOTW whether it was on the radio
i'm pretty sure i read Rick say he heard it on the radio, in his car, in Ireland (?) or something...viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 02 September, 2011 23:50
I would hate this thread to start reaching the depths of where discussion have gone on this album in the past.
John has kindly written a reply to a good question asked about the track !!
I just want to point out john that my question is not directed negatively regarding the album. I actually think its a good album and was curious as to wether i have lost an early mix aired on the radio ?Cammy the Morton Fan
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Member # 100 posted 03 September, 2011 00:12
John, many thanks for replying, as ever.I'm going to suggest something crazy- is it possible the reels are numbered incorrectly? It's just that in interviews Rick has suggested it was one of the last songs to be done( hence my wondering about single choices / working titles). This would tally with your initial recollection about it being one of the last couple of tracks.Having said that, it wasn't exactly yesterday!! I was only four at the time- I'm not far from forty now so that puts it in perspective!Thanks againCam
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michaelpratt
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Member # 7533 posted 03 September, 2011 00:18
As a major Credence fan, and having seen John Fogerty 2 years ago in Manchester (before his hopeless gig at the Royal Albert Hall) I can only say that the Quo version is both different and superior to the original as still played by the great JF. My thoughts would be, who re-arranged it? Who wrote the added guitar parts?
It has, by his own admission become John Fogerty's pension plan, but a lot of work took it to the finished Quo version.
Who did it?Mike
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Precious Pup
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Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:28
OK understood viking48, Its quite possible that you did hear a different version. We did reluctantly on some occasions do rough mixes when the tracks had got to a certain point. I say reluctantly cos you never know where they would end up at a mid way state of working and be judged upon. However from a management perspective they were often needed to start to create and involve others in the marketing sense and that might involve playing a rough mix to a radio producer or DJ. Equally on occasion's the rough mix could end up better than a finished mix ! In just the same way sometimes demos sound better than masters and one of the plus points of our digital recording world now is that there is often no technical difference between the demo and the master, making it an easier exchange.
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Precious Pup
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Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:41
quote:
Originally posted by Cammy the Morton Fan:
John, many thanks for replying, as ever.I'm going to suggest something crazy- is it possible the reels are numbered incorrectly? It's just that in interviews Rick has suggested it was one of the last songs to be done( hence my wondering about single choices / working titles). This would tally with your initial recollection about it being one of the last couple of tracks.Having said that, it wasn't exactly yesterday!! I was only four at the time- I'm not far from forty now so that puts it in perspective!Thanks againCam
Well I had considered that before writing my response to you. However I don't think so, the last reel #4 only has two songs on it and plenty of space for others so it would not make sense that it was not #4 in the sequence. My numbering method was I of IV,
II OF IV, III OF IV, and IV OF IV I think it can be seen from Bobs pics.
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viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 00:46
Thanks for the reply John. Much appreciated and intesting.
This is how a MB should interact between its members and people with knowledge to give !!Now to turn the Loft upside down and find that bloody cassette tape. Probably claimed by my Sister and overtaped for ' Life in Tokyo by Japan or something along those lines '
Just my luck
Precious Pup
Member
Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:52
quote:
Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
Oh I don't know if it was that calculated. I think it was always a question of looking for commercially sounding singles to sell albums.
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Precious Pup
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Member # 14582 posted 03 September, 2011 00:59
quote:
Originally posted by michaelpratt:
As a major Credence fan, and having seen John Fogerty 2 years ago in Manchester (before his hopeless gig at the Royal Albert Hall) I can only say that the Quo version is both different and superior to the original as still played by the great JF. My thoughts would be, who re-arranged it? Who wrote the added guitar parts?
It has, by his own admission become John Fogerty's pension plan, but a lot of work took it to the finished Quo version.
Who did it?Mike
Credit to Pip and the Band from where I sat.
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Precious Pup
posted 03 September, 2011 01:15
Well Goodnight everyone. Been a while since I was on here. I saw Cammy's post and had a little time. Just preparing for another album with Karla Davis but will check back from time to time.
Cheers, P.P.
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viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 01:19
Cheers John. Youre enthusiasm for your profession comes over loud and clear--------------------
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Member # 100 posted 03 September, 2011 10:31
quote:
Originally posted by Precious Pup:
Well Goodnight everyone. Been a while since I was on here. I saw Cammy's post and had a little time. Just preparing for another album with Karla Davis but will check back from time to time.
Cheers, P.P.
Thanks again John. The board is a richer place with your contributions.
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ROCK ' N ' ROLL
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Member # 4665 posted 03 September, 2011 12:03
quote:
Originally posted by Precious Pup:
quote:
Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out
to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
Oh I don't know if it was that calculated. I think it was always a question of looking for commercially sounding singles to sell albums.
Thanks for the reply mate, didnt want to come across as cynical, but you must admit it seems a coincidence then that major production changes we're happening to the band on that album at the same time Rick discovered RAOTW. You can see how some fans could view it as calculated? It makes me wonder why a record company would try to make a band sell commercial sounding singles, to sell what essentially are albums of different content to the singles. I know this has actually worked for Quo over the years, but does this actually add to the bands credibility long term, and maintain their fanbase, or work against them in the end? Like if you take Quo now face value they seem to sell albums more than singles, which would suggest Quo dont or didnt need singles to sell albums and carry on becomming bigger as a band, but it has to be said their very successfull string of hit singles isnt to be frowned apon either.
viking48
Member
Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 19:59
quote:
Thanks for the reply mate, didnt want to come across as cynical, but you must admit it seems a coincidence then that major production changes we're happening to the band on that album at the same time Rick discovered RAOTW. You can see how some fans could view it as calculated? But Quo have released Singles since the beginning of time from albums so how can you percieve the 'Rockin' album to have been affected by a 'Single' release ?
ROCK ' N ' ROLL
4500 Timer
Member # 4665 posted 03 September, 2011 21:26
quote:
Originally posted by viking48:
quote:
Thanks for the reply mate, didnt want to come across as cynical, but you must admit it seems a coincidence then that major production changes we're happening to the band on that album at the same time Rick discovered RAOTW. You can see how some fans could view it as calculated? But Quo have released Singles since the beginning of time from albums so how can you percieve the 'Rockin' album to have been affected by a 'Single' release ?
I just think Quo's sound and even style changed around this period. If you compare the Blue for you album from 76, to the RAOTW album from 77 there is a big difference in the songs and over all production. I'm not suggesting the song RAOTW actually is the key thing that affcted the rest of the album, but you have to admit it is a very commercially sounding song, as is the album, so to me it seems too much of a coincedence that it marries up in the way it does. It might just be that its that type of radio friendly sound which Quo we're searching for at the time, and the song RAOTW came along at the right time, who knows? I can't help but wonder though without the discovery of the song RAOTW would they have decided to move forward with the production they had done. Its almost as if the song RAOTW was purpous built to promote the rest of the album it ended up being on. Like too many things line up too perfectly. But it seems I'm wrong to think way, which is fair enough.|
viking48
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Member # 31735 posted 03 September, 2011 21:42
quote:
Its almost as if the song RAOTW was purpous built to promote the rest of the album it ended up being on. Like too many things line up too perfectly. But it seems I'm wrong to think way, which is fair enough
Nothing wrong in having an opinion and thinking the way you feel !!
I just dont think it was that calculated regarding RAOTW dictating the album.
To be truthful this bloody album has been discussed to death in my opinion. It happened the way it did and divided opinion but we should be able to move on from it.
After all the re-mix by John aint too far off. I think that would be a better time for this subject as we will have comparisons to debate over !
ROCK ' N ' ROLL
posted 03 September, 2011 21:57
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Originally posted by viking48:
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Its almost as if the song RAOTW was purpous built to promote the rest of the album it ended up being on. Like too many things line up too perfectly. But it seems I'm wrong to think way, which is fair enough
Nothing wrong in having an opinion and thinking the way you feel !!
I just dont think it was that calculated regarding RAOTW dictating the album.
To be truthful this bloody album has been discussed to death in my opinion. It happened the way it did and divided opinion but we should be able to move on from it.
After all the re-mix by John aint too far off. I think that would
be a better time for this subject as we will have comparisons to debate over !
Your right maybe its just me who views it that way, but it did seem to be when Quo's album material could all pass as singles, well almost anyway. they pulled back the raw sound a bit on the WYW album though, but it seems the magnificent sound which made Quo famous was completely lost by the end of the 70's.
The Quoman.
4 posted 03 September, 2011 22:52
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Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
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Member # 4665 posted 04 September, 2011 08:32
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Originally posted by The Quoman.:
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Originally posted by ROCK ' N ' ROLL:
Hi Precious pup, I've always wondered if it was coincedence that the timing of Quo seeming to be searching for a more polished production was during the period of making the RAOTW, and was there a connection with that and Rick finding the song RAOTW? In other words Rick finding the song RAOTW seemed to fit in dare I say a little too conveniently with the then polished sound Quo or someone in the Quo camp we're searching for wouldn't you say? Like in hindsight it seems someone set out
to find that commercially sounding song to fit the production of the time,I often wonder would the album have been so much more different had Rick haden't discovered RAOTW? Possibly less commercial, hence a production value more like that of the previous albums? Or is my logic completely wrong here?
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Logic in thinking was the song RAOTW discovered before the album was even started, hence the sudden change in sound on all the songs. I know I'm probably wrong, but I always thought they found the song RAOTW then thought wow this is the kind of radio friendly sound and even style of song that we need to suite the direction we want to take, which in hindsight seems to be a much cleaner sound, and radio friendly sound. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, everything doesn't stay the same, and artists need to progress, but the one thing that strikes me as odd, is Quo didn't need to fix anthing in terms of success in this country. It seems to be the 2 main albums that won them the fans they got we're Piledriver and Hello, and the 2 albums that untied all that we're RAOTW and IYCSTH. But thats not stricktly true is it?